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#1 mazxim

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 10:37 PM

Hello there..

I just give a try to latest bbLean 1.18 and I'm amazed and very happy about it!

But, what am I supposed to do to manage WIFI under Windows 8 without Explorer/Modern UI?

Also, is there a way to mantain maxmize/minimize window animations under bbLean?



#2 diabol

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 07:37 AM

Hi.

I am amazed it works at all on win8 :D

The wifi stuff is tricky.

Maybe you can bring it up via system controls or set it up to show in the task bar?

If neither of these work, you'll need to do some hacking. I'm pretty sure you can bring up an inherited dialog via some rundll invocation (possibly on a dll ripped from windows 7), also you can mostly control networking stuff via the command line (net * commands, not sure if they also control wifi networks) and if that doesn't work you'd need to find some not-shitty 3rd party controls to do that.

 

In short: No, windows 8 is not fully supported yet and neither is windows 7 and i don't think xp is fully supported either :D

I guess regardless of how counter-intuitive it seems, it wouldn't be the worst idea to recreate some windows functions, so they stay uniform with bb across windows versions..


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 08:24 AM

Hello there..

I just give a try to latest bbLean 1.18 and I'm amazed and very happy about it!

But, what am I supposed to do to manage WIFI under Windows 8 without Explorer/Modern UI?

Also, is there a way to mantain maxmize/minimize window animations under bbLean?

XP is fully supported, but BB works on both 7 and 8 as well. It wasn't built for those OSes, so it's a miracle it works, but it does, more or less, with some glitches.

And where did you find a BBLean 1.18 build? :)



#4 mojmir

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 09:50 AM

few notes on win8+

- bbleanskin does not behave well with aero

- win8 comes with changed allocator behaviour. in the old code compiled with 64b there will be spurious crashes.

 

apart from that it should run smooth.

 

// it did for me at least for two months, then hdd crash wiped the 8.1 and i do not want it on my hdd until ms will listen to a Reason ;D



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 02:53 PM

lol, way to go with the hdd crash. do you run win7 now?

 

and about bbleanskin.. it totally wrecks windows with dwm enabled (which is forced on in win8+).

the reason is that bbleanskin injects a dll which draws into the non-client area (the window frame or "chrome") and dwm disables compositing when an application does that, which leads to loss of transparency and other fun issues.

 

i'm doing fancy dwm stuff for work this week, maybe i have time to test a few things.

some facts:

- dwm enables applications to do fancy stuff with their borders

- we can detect if an application does fancy non-client area stuff itself

- if it doesn't we can take control of the nc-area and draw fancy stuff there :)

 

still, it would be good if we could just find a way to generate msstyles on the fly from bb's style settings and set windows to use these. that would be a very native way to give applications a blackbox-ish look and would be closer to what *nix wms do than what bbleanskin does atm :P



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 03:49 PM

Thank you guys for all the answers, now I have an idea of what kind of problems still are there.

 

I'm pretty sure you can bring up an inherited dialog via some rundll invocation (possibly on a dll ripped from windows 7), also you can mostly control networking stuff via the command line (net * commands, not sure if they also control wifi networks)

 

I know it's possible to control it through command-line (as explained here) but which dll are you talking about? Can you please elaborate more on this point? Not to be too simplistic, but right now, the WIFI method control it's the only major issue that prevent me to use bbLean, as it is, on Windows 8.



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 04:05 PM

Thank you guys for all the answers, now I have an idea of what kind of problems still are there.

 

 

I know it's possible to control it through command-line (as explained here) but which dll are you talking about? Can you please elaborate more on this point? Not to be too simplistic, but right now, the WIFI method control it's the only major issue that prevent me to use bbLean, as it is, on Windows 8.

 

i was wildly hypothesizing. please take it simply as a hint that you will have to get creative.

realistically speaking, this will not be fixed in bb anytime soon. sorry.

my guess is that the actual functionality for the wifi stuff is split off into a separate dll (which is basically the way it's done for w7 for most of these small 'applets').

you could try loading explorer as shell and sifting thorugh process monitor logs or taking a look at the loaded dlls in process explorer and hunt for this.

 

or maybe you can work the command line stuff into a bbinterface script :3

i'm not sure how good bbi is with listboxes/dynamic data, tho



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:56 PM

I'm not sure I understand your prob. but recently had a little issue and (I don't have 8 and not interested and have only minimal knowledge) this helped: http://www.nirsoft.n...ect_choose.html or may be Nirsoft has something that might help.


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Posted 07 March 2014 - 10:48 PM

In reply to the question "Is Windows 8 fully supported?", I would have to answer like this. the Blackbox you get for windows distributions is a port of BB for linux and so no version of windows is fully supported and whenever a version of windows allows it, then that's nothing short of a programming mirqacle. Maybe I am wrong but I think way back in the distant past, before dinosaurs roamed the earth, BBlean developers saw their whole project as merely an experiment, not as a replacement for the windows shell but more like a hopeful replacement for it


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:27 PM

I'm currently using bbLean 1.17 x64 (stock) as a shell, and so far its been working fine. The only issuse i've had are with bbLeanSkin.



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Posted 30 April 2014 - 04:49 AM

From what I understand, the nirsoft program purpose it to chose the adapter(wifi, ethernet). I'm using http://netsetman.com/ to manage wifi connections. Not the ideal solution but better than nothing, since I use my laptop in different places.


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#12 mazxim

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 02:41 PM

From what I understand, the nirsoft program purpose it to chose the adapter(wifi, ethernet). I'm using http://netsetman.com/ to manage wifi connections. Not the ideal solution but better than nothing, since I use my laptop in different places.

 

Thank you Sir! I have tried that software and I can say it's a really pretty one e a cheap solution right now! Not definitive, but who cares.

OH, and sorry for the late response, I wasn't aware of yours 'til some days ago.. ;-( 'later on folks!






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