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Best Answer apoisonedgift , 27 November 2014 - 02:15 PM

Hi apoisonedgift, I think you may have misunderstood me ! so in the interests of trying to help you further please allow me to clarify.

I agree with you that the volume control could possibly be the problem however, you cannot jump to conclusions based on one elements exhibited behaviour, the problem may lie elseware.

As for "0 code",  if bbinterface is enabled (ticked) in the load plugin preferences even without any added elements then there is an active script "with code" in use and if no elements have been added to bbinterface then you will see the default bbinterface window on your desktop, so therefore if bbinterface is loaded then the script is in use regardless of any elements being added. What I was telling you to try was to just run bbinterface with it,s default settings (no added elements, (default bbinterface window only on your desktop) in order to establish that there are no faults with the basic core of the plugin, the fault may be a system fault, setting, a corrupt file or something conflicting with bbinterface but not necessarily bbinterface itself.

If after testing on default for a few days the script error does not appear then this should eliminate the basic plugin or variables peculiar to your system from the problem, then you can add other elements purely as a test (not the volume control) I suggest starting with a system monitoring element like the network monitor or cpu monitor, use something that will interact with the computer. I would give this configuration a decent period of use then finally add the volume element if that then causes the script error fault at least you will be sure of your facts, what I am trying to say is that any element could lead to the same end result, without trying others you cannot hang the volume control out to dry.However If just having bbinterface enabled with no added elements causes a script error fault then that's a different matter and you may need to try other solutions.

Just out of curiosity are you using Rainmeter ? as I have experienced problems when running Rainmeter and bbinterface at the same time although others have not.... just a thought.

If all the above fail and you decide the volume control must be the culprit then I think you will have to pm pitkon for further advice. I really hope you can find the cause of this problem and I suspect that we are not the only ones who have experienced it, others may have just given up are suffering in silence or have been less willing to seek help so I applaude you for that. Like I said I no longer use bbzero so I cannot test these diagnostics for myself, Please let me know how things go and as long as you don't mind I will continue to add my input.

 All the best chalky :smile:

 

Hey Chalky. Thanks for the reply... I know it doesn't definitely mean it is the volume control :)

 

Since marking the script file as Read Only my problem seems to have stopped... so... yay I guess/ Just means I need to clear the read only tag if I wanna update it, or update it manually, but that shouldnt be an issue.

 

Also - nah, not Rainmeter use here.

 

Thanks again, but assuming it continues as it has for the last 4 days... I think I've resolved my issue :)

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#1 apoisonedgift

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 02:18 PM

So at the moment, everytime I restart my PC I get a message saying that the BB Interface script is not formatted correctly and that it needs to create a new one, thus deleting my settings. I've only used the right click menus to make my interface... And when I 'reload' after copy/pasting a backup into the plugin's folder, it works fine. Anyone had this sisue before and know how to fix it? It's super irritating.



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Posted 21 November 2014 - 03:07 PM

It will all likely depend on what flavor of Blackbox your using, what flavor of the plugin your using and what particular builds of those variants as well as the OS, bit rate and file permissions that have been set.

For anyone to help you, they need to know those specifics. There are far to many variables for anyone to give more than a generic guess.

As for a generic guess, try this (which you may already have done):


    [*]After receiving the warning and the script gets over written, copy and paste the working script back in to bbInterface.rc.
    [*]Right-click on a bbInterface object and go to: Configuration -->  Reload Configuration.
    [*]After the script loads, go to: Configuration -->  Save Configuration.
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    That should write the script in the proper format.

    If that doesn't work, it may be a problem with the specific shell/plugin build your using or even the file permissions.

    I'm on XP sp3 using bbZero 1.18.3.5 32-bit and the bbInterface_iTunes that came with it, so I probably can't help you much...
     



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Posted 21 November 2014 - 09:02 PM

bbDinosaur,s advice is good and it does all depend on which flavour of bb your on plus other factors, but if your a noob same as I am and just want to get on with using BlackBox then this is a major headache.I had exactly the same problem on Windows 7 with bbzero 1.18 and it kept happening again and again.I went back to bblean 1.17 and added the bbinterface_itunes_mod plugin,(just drop the itunes bit if you dont need it), which is how I started on BlackBoxand I never had a single problem.I know it,s an old version compared to bbzero and it does lack certain features but for a noob it,s rock solid and easy to understand, I even managed tocompile and upload a theme with it and it,s still my fav choice.What I have done works for me, but everyones different and it may not suit you but if it helps then I am pleased.

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 06:13 AM

Make sure Suppress Errors is checked under Global Options.



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 01:05 PM

It will all likely depend on what flavor of Blackbox your using, what flavor of the plugin your using and what particular builds of those variants as well as the OS, bit rate and file permissions that have been set.

For anyone to help you, they need to know those specifics. There are far to many variables for anyone to give more than a generic guess.

As for a generic guess, try this (which you may already have done):


    [*]After receiving the warning and the script gets over written, copy and paste the working script back in to bbInterface.rc.
    [*]Right-click on a bbInterface object and go to: Configuration -->  Reload Configuration.
    [*]After the script loads, go to: Configuration -->  Save Configuration.
    [/list]

    That should write the script in the proper format.

    If that doesn't work, it may be a problem with the specific shell/plugin build your using or even the file permissions.

    I'm on XP sp3 using bbZero 1.18.3.5 32-bit and the bbInterface_iTunes that came with it, so I probably can't help you much...
     

Well, I'm on Windows 8.1 x64 using the most recent bbZero with bbInterface_Itunes that it came with. The rc files had no read only properties or anything, but I have just enabled them to see if that helps at all... Beyond that, any suggestions?

 

bbDinosaur,s advice is good and it does all depend on which flavour of bb your on plus other factors, but if your a noob same as I am and just want to get on with using BlackBox then this is a major headache. I had exactly the same problem on Windows 7 with bbzero 1.18 and it kept happening again and again. I went back to bblean 1.17 and added the bbinterface_itunes_mod plugin,(just drop the itunes bit if you dont need it), which is how I started on BlackBox and I never had a single problem. I know it,s an old version compared to bbzero and it does lack certain features but for a noob it,s rock solid and easy to understand, I even managed to compile and upload a theme with it and it,s still my fav choice. What I have done works for me, but everyones different and it may not suit you but if it helps then I am pleased.

If you had the same issue with 1.18... maybe it's an error in that plugin that only pops up under certain circumstances or something =/ I have done a lot of customising of my setup, so don't think I'm really willing to downgrade. The only thing I use interface for is a volume control widget on account of the fact that my headset's volume buttons (like, physical ones) don't work under BB.

 

Make sure Suppress Errors is checked under Global Options.

Yeah set to true. So not that either :(

 

Thanks all for your help thus far. Any further ideas would be great :)



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Posted 23 November 2014 - 12:46 AM

You mention using the volume control in bbinterface, well it just so happens so did I, and as you say it,s the only thing you used bbinterface for it,s just a shot in the dark but it seems a strange coincidence that we should both be using the same control and have the same problem.Try temporarily disabling the volume control and see how things go, if that fixes things it narrows down the problem, then you can proceed with further help fault finding from there.

Hope this helps :thumbsup:


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Posted 24 November 2014 - 11:35 AM

You mention using the volume control in bbinterface, well it just so happens so did I, and as you say it,s the only thing you used bbinterface for it,s just a shot in the dark but it seems a strange coincidence that we should both be using the same control and have the same problem.Try temporarily disabling the volume control and see how things go, if that fixes things it narrows down the problem, then you can proceed with further help fault finding from there.

Hope this helps :thumbsup:

 

Haha, I'd love to... but that's literally th eonly thing I use it for XD Can't really test it with 0 code in the script haha.

 

Anyone know who I report this to so they know that it seems like the volume control module seems to be causing issues? At least I can do my part for the community XD



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Posted 24 November 2014 - 09:59 PM

Hi apoisonedgift, I think you may have misunderstood me ! so in the interests of trying to help you further please allow me to clarify.

I agree with you that the volume control could possibly be the problem however, you cannot jump to conclusions based on one elements exhibited behaviour, the problem may lie elseware.

As for "0 code",  if bbinterface is enabled (ticked) in the load plugin preferences even without any added elements then there is an active script "with code" in use and if no elements have been added to bbinterface then you will see the default bbinterface window on your desktop, so therefore if bbinterface is loaded then the script is in use regardless of any elements being added. What I was telling you to try was to just run bbinterface with it,s default settings (no added elements, (default bbinterface window only on your desktop) in order to establish that there are no faults with the basic core of the plugin, the fault may be a system fault, setting, a corrupt file or something conflicting with bbinterface but not necessarily bbinterface itself.

If after testing on default for a few days the script error does not appear then this should eliminate the basic plugin or variables peculiar to your system from the problem, then you can add other elements purely as a test (not the volume control) I suggest starting with a system monitoring element like the network monitor or cpu monitor, use something that will interact with the computer. I would give this configuration a decent period of use then finally add the volume element if that then causes the script error fault at least you will be sure of your facts, what I am trying to say is that any element could lead to the same end result, without trying others you cannot hang the volume control out to dry.However If just having bbinterface enabled with no added elements causes a script error fault then that's a different matter and you may need to try other solutions.

Just out of curiosity are you using Rainmeter ? as I have experienced problems when running Rainmeter and bbinterface at the same time although others have not.... just a thought.

If all the above fail and you decide the volume control must be the culprit then I think you will have to pm pitkon for further advice. I really hope you can find the cause of this problem and I suspect that we are not the only ones who have experienced it, others may have just given up are suffering in silence or have been less willing to seek help so I applaude you for that. Like I said I no longer use bbzero so I cannot test these diagnostics for myself, Please let me know how things go and as long as you don't mind I will continue to add my input.

 All the best chalky :smile:



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Posted 27 November 2014 - 02:15 PM   Best Answer

Hi apoisonedgift, I think you may have misunderstood me ! so in the interests of trying to help you further please allow me to clarify.

I agree with you that the volume control could possibly be the problem however, you cannot jump to conclusions based on one elements exhibited behaviour, the problem may lie elseware.

As for "0 code",  if bbinterface is enabled (ticked) in the load plugin preferences even without any added elements then there is an active script "with code" in use and if no elements have been added to bbinterface then you will see the default bbinterface window on your desktop, so therefore if bbinterface is loaded then the script is in use regardless of any elements being added. What I was telling you to try was to just run bbinterface with it,s default settings (no added elements, (default bbinterface window only on your desktop) in order to establish that there are no faults with the basic core of the plugin, the fault may be a system fault, setting, a corrupt file or something conflicting with bbinterface but not necessarily bbinterface itself.

If after testing on default for a few days the script error does not appear then this should eliminate the basic plugin or variables peculiar to your system from the problem, then you can add other elements purely as a test (not the volume control) I suggest starting with a system monitoring element like the network monitor or cpu monitor, use something that will interact with the computer. I would give this configuration a decent period of use then finally add the volume element if that then causes the script error fault at least you will be sure of your facts, what I am trying to say is that any element could lead to the same end result, without trying others you cannot hang the volume control out to dry.However If just having bbinterface enabled with no added elements causes a script error fault then that's a different matter and you may need to try other solutions.

Just out of curiosity are you using Rainmeter ? as I have experienced problems when running Rainmeter and bbinterface at the same time although others have not.... just a thought.

If all the above fail and you decide the volume control must be the culprit then I think you will have to pm pitkon for further advice. I really hope you can find the cause of this problem and I suspect that we are not the only ones who have experienced it, others may have just given up are suffering in silence or have been less willing to seek help so I applaude you for that. Like I said I no longer use bbzero so I cannot test these diagnostics for myself, Please let me know how things go and as long as you don't mind I will continue to add my input.

 All the best chalky :smile:

 

Hey Chalky. Thanks for the reply... I know it doesn't definitely mean it is the volume control :)

 

Since marking the script file as Read Only my problem seems to have stopped... so... yay I guess/ Just means I need to clear the read only tag if I wanna update it, or update it manually, but that shouldnt be an issue.

 

Also - nah, not Rainmeter use here.

 

Thanks again, but assuming it continues as it has for the last 4 days... I think I've resolved my issue :)



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Posted 01 December 2014 - 11:16 PM

Congrats, excellent news my friend I,m glad to hear that you,ve found a fix, or should I say a clever work around lol, lets hope it remains stable now. :smile:

As you say you only use the volume control then I suppose changing the permissions is not much of an inconvenience but it still does,nt explain whats going on.

I may be wrong but imho it would seem from your deductions that something may have been writing to the script,  possibly in the background and corrupting it, What that was is anyone's guess without a whole load

of fault finding and life's to short for that eh lol, so I guess for now, as long as your happy with your work around then that marks this help thread as sort of solved and may act as a temporary fix for someone else with the same issue although it still does,nt address whats really going on and I tend to find work around,s are just that, "work around,s" and that without a proper resolve this issue may reappear again at some point possibly in another form as it,s only the symptom that's been cured and not the cause, but who knows, fingers crossed for you.

Once again glad to hear the good news, kind regards,

chalky10 :thumbsup:

(P.S if you have,nt already, don't forget to mark this help thread as solved if your happy with the outcome)  



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Posted 02 December 2014 - 01:30 PM

Yeah it's not a foolproof solution... but thus far I haven't had the error pop up or my volume control disappear... So until I am much more familiar with BB and the way it all works this will definitely do. I will, eventually, invest more time in it and try to come up with some more decent feedback for the magickal code monkeys... but still ver ynew to BB and all the systems it uses :)


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